Wednesday, November 12, 2008

Just wondering: After reading Amos 5

Last Sunday I read Amos 5 as part of our worship service. It's been nagging me ever since.

When we stand before the Lord, will we be able to justify the destruction of His creation, the war in Iraq, $10 trillion+ national debt, extension of corporate bailouts while people lack affordable healthcare, by appealing to the fact that we stood against abortion, ethanasia, and immoral stem cell research?

Don't get me wrong, these are all heinous SINS. But isn't it ironic that many of us evangelicals--who supposedly don't make distinctions between "venial" and "mortal" sins--haven't able to see these other issues as equally distressing to our Lord ? (cf. Amos 5).

If we were truly pro-life, we might take a clue from Pope John Paul II's 1988 encyclical "Sollicitudo Rei Socialis" on social justice, which criticizes both capitalism and socialism, and argues for both proper economic development and placing the needs of the poor over the wants of the wealthy.

Satan is always happy if he can get us to be either/or people: either faith or works; either this world or the next; either Black or White; either Catholic or Protestant; either Republican or Democrat; either rich or poor, slave or free, male or female. But our Lord comes not to divide, but to heal. So why are we permitting him the victory by listening to folks like Sean Hannity and Alan Colmes, rather than Stephen Mansfield?

Just wondering...


ElderChild said...

"So who's to say we'll end up destroying ourselves?"

Someone had written: “Francisco, I’d like to think that you’re entirely wrong and that it’s mankind’s imagination that will indeed save the whole of creation. I know we haven’t done a very good job up to now, but even we, in our arrogantly finite, infinitely arrogant wisdom, must surely see we can’t go on as we are. I’d like to say all that, but then, I’m constantly reminded of just what a dumb species we truly are, so who’s to say if we won’t end up destroying ourselves or not.”

“dumb species”?

Better said, “disobedient, rebellious, proud, vain, perverse, destructive,,,,,, spiritually dead, braindirtyed educated clones who continue to feed their “imag”inations ;-(

It was ignorant, unlearned so-called ”savages” who testified:

“A Simple and Spiritual Life is the only Life that will survive”!

A testimony which is in perfect harmony with The Life example and The Teachings of The Messiah, Life and Teachings He received of The Only True GOD(The Great Spirit), Father(Creator) of ALL!

You wrote, “Who’s to say if we don’t end up destroying ourselves”?

Already said, by The Creator, HE WHO is going to “destroy those who destroy the earth”! (Rev11:18c) And as The Messiah testified, so it is you have “seen” that the “multitudes follow the broad way to destruction”!

Btw, The Messiah, He testified that the words He spoke were not His words, but they were the words of The Father(Creator) WHO sent Him”!

Sadly, as of now it seems you are of the multitudes ;-( Those who would rather live, or desire to live, the “american(worldly) dream”, which is to exist and believe in, mankind’s “imag”ination ;-( Simply, “ease of life” has had it’s way with you ;-(

So it is that the multitudes, yes even the porverty stricken, believe the LIE that is “ease of life”, rather than receiving “a love of The Truth ;-(

Sadly, The Truth that is Creation sufficiency has given way to the lie of self sufficiency ;-( And so it is that the multitudes but serve “time” in the prison that is this world, and those who won’t, or can’t follow their destructive ways, they look upon as the dung of the earth ;-(

So heed The Call to “Come Out of her, MY people”! “Come Out” of that which is of this world, that which is of the “imag”ination, and especially this world’s systems of religion!

Get Real! Life is Spirit, yet only that Life which is in and of The Creator(GOD, Great Spirit,,) is Real, and only that which is Real is Forever!

Choose Real Life!

How many roses have you stopped to smell while piloting one of this world’s unguided missles, the ones they call automobiles?

And how many have been killed along the way ;-(

And for what purpose?

Yet, there is hope!

For Miracles do happen!

So there will be those who experience The Miracle that is receiving “a love of The Truth” and who take heed unto The Call of The Only True GOD to “Come Out of her, MY people”! They will “Come Out’ of this world(babylon) and it’s systems of religion.

“Pure religion before GOD The Father is this, to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction and to keep oneself uncontaminated by the world.”

Simply, all other religion is impure and defiled!

Peace, in spite of the dis-ease(stress) that is of this world, for “the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one” indeed and Truth…….

Truth is never ending…….

Beth B said...

Sorry, Elderchild, I have no idea what you are talking about, or how it connects with what I've written. I see that you have left the same message on numerous other blogs and webpages. Do you know that Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life? If not, I'd be happy to tell you more...

Blessings in Him,


ElderChild said...

DISCLAIMER: The following testimony is given regarding the religious systems of this wicked
world, not individuals. Recorded for revelation, not condemnation, in hopes there would be those who would "see" and "hear", for all who do so will "Come out of her"(this world and it's systems of religion) indeed and Truth!

Who is the 'catholic/christian' 'jesus'?

Truth is that the name 'jesus' is the transliteration of a name into english from the latin 'Iesus", latin
being the language of catholicism! And so it is that all biblical translations from pagan greek
manuscripts are prejudiced according to the will of christianity's latin mother, she who calls herself

Consider, those 'bibles' translated from the pagan greek manuscripts. Why is it that most all of those 'bibles' transliterate The Name of The Messiah as "jesus"?

That question needs be asked because "jesus" is the transliteration of The Messiah's GOD given birth Name from the latin language "Iesus", not the greek "Iesous"! The correct and proper transliteration of The Messiah's GOD given birth Name from the pagan greek manuscripts would be "Jesous" in modern day english.

So who, or what, gave the translators the liberty, or the authority, to change the greek "scriptures" as
they did when they used the latin, rather than the greek transliteration of The Messiah's GOD given
birth Name?

Truth IS the name 'jesus' was first "imag"ined some five hundred years past! Truth IS there was no 'j'
sound in the english language prior to that time! Truth IS the name 'jesus' was not spoken for some
1500 years after The Messiah ascended unto HIS HIS GOD and Father!

And The Messiah's GOD is The GOD of His Brethren and The Messiah's Father is The Father of His Brethren. The Messiah, "ascended to His GOD" and was the "first-born of many Brethren", "The Beginning of The Creation of The Only True GOD".

The Messiah('christ') is "the mediator between The Only True GOD and man".

The Messiah's GOD given Hebrew birth Name when translated into today's english would be
Jo(e)shua for the greek word "Iesous" used for the Name of The Messiah is the same greek
word used in the greek translation of The Old Covenant for "Jo(e)shua", the son of Nun.

Should not The Son of The Only True GOD be called by The Name given to Him by His Father
and GOD?

Yet His exalted title is The Messiah, The Son of The Living GOD, for as there is only One True GOD, so also there is only One True Messiah, Yeshua (Jo(e)shua in modern day english)The Son of GOD!
The Messiah testified, "I ascend to My GOD and your GOD, to My Father and your Father"!

Truth also testifies that the name 'jesus' was "imag"ined during a time 'the god of this world' and his 'christianity' declared to be the 'reformation'. Prior to the 'reformation' there was no 'j' sound in the english language and there never has been a 'j' sound or letter in the greek or Hebrew

Indeed 'catholicism' was reformed, in the sense of being restructured and made to appear differently outwardly. The various 're-formed' systems of religion were, and are, her offspring! And they all bear the 'mark' of their 'god' 'jesus'! Either they name one head of their three headed pagan 'god' 'jesus' or they make the one they call 'jesus' their 'god', or declare their 'jesus' to be but an angel or prophet.

All of pagan 'catholicism's' so-called 'christian' daughters are but harlot systems of religion fornicating with ' the god of this world', he who is "the father of lies".

They fornicate with "the god of this world" because "they love his world, it's things", and "their own lives in and of his evil, wicked world!"

The Messiah testified of an "evil world" and He ascended to His GOD and Father!

And The Messiah's GOD and Father is also The GOD and Father of The Messiah's Brethren, HE WHO IS The ONLY TRUE GOD", HE WHO Has No 'god' nor 'father', for HE IS "The One GOD, Father of ALL"!

"Truth" Tesifies:
"The Messiah is The Son of The Living GOD"!
catholic/christian" folklore:
'jesus' is 'god' or 1/3 of a 'god' or an angel or ????

"Truth" Tesifies:
"Love your enemies! Turn the other cheek"!
"catholic/christian" folklore:
fight and war in the flesh! kill your enemies.

"Truth" Tesifies:
"The world is evil"! Come out of her, MY people"!
catholic/christian" folklore:
we can change this world and make it 'better'.

"Truth" Tesifies:
"The WHOLE world lies in wickedness"!
catholic/christian" folklore:
there are righteous nations, the usa and others.

"Truth" Tesifies:
"Love not the world or the things of this world"!
"catholic/christian" folklore:
love this world and thank 'god' for it's things.

"Truth" Tesifies:
"Pagans observe days, months and years"!
"catholic/christian" folklore:
christmas, easter, halloween, 'good' friday, etc.

"Truth" Tesifies:
"Serve The Only True GOD and HIM alone"!
"catholic/christian" folklore:
serve family, country and their "imag"ined 'god'.

"Truth" Tesifies:
GOD asks, "What building will you build unto ME"?
"catholic/christian" folklore:
various buildings dedicated to their "imag"ined 'god'.

"Truth" Tesifies:
"As The Messiah suffered so His Brethren will suffer"!"
catholic/christian" folklore:
eat, drink, be merry, especially during x-mass season.

"Truth" Tesifies:
"GOD helps those who cry unto HIM for help"!
"catholic/christian" folklore:
'god' helps those who help themselves.

"Truth" Tesifies:
"NO man has seen The Only True GOD"!
"catholic/christian" folklore:
many saw their "imag"ined 'god' 'jesus'.

"Truth" Tesifies:
"GOD is Spirit and a Spirit has not flesh and bones"!
"catholic/christian" folklore:
except for their "imag"ined 'god' 'jesus' that is.

"Truth" Tesifies:
"When you pray do so in private"!
"catholic/christian" folklore:
pray aloud so that others might hear.

"Truth" Tesifies:
"Swear not! Let your yes, be yes, your no, no"!
"catholic/christian" folklore:
put your hand on their 'bible' and swear to their 'god'.

The Messiah testified, "That they might know YOU,
The ONLY TRUE GOD, and The Messiah, Whom
YOU have sent"!

The Messiah testified, "Love Your Enemies"!

islam, judaism, catholicism, christianity,,, etc.

Religious systems of this world and all alike they are,
for they have fought and killed both near and far;

And then once a week or multiples times a day they pray,
yet as hypocrites they begin each new day;

Days that are filled with deceit and lies,
for in their religious systems Truth cannot abide;

And so the fruit of death is born of their religious ways,
for life is but a pawn in the wicked game they play!

"Pure religion and undefiled before GOD Our Father is this, to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction and to keep oneself uncontaminated by the world." (James1:27)

Simply, all other religions are impure and defiled!

Multitudes have been seduced by " the commandments and doctrines of men and devils"!

Theo'ry'logy has bound the common people in the chains of "strong delusion".

The Only True GOD has given HIS Call, "Come out of her, MY people", to all who are held captive by this wicked, evil world and it's seductive religious systems, especially the ones called "catholicism" and "christianity". Because of them, "The Way of Truth is evil spoken of" ;-( (2 Peter 2:2)

"The mother of harlots", "catholicism", and her "protesting" "christian" daughters, as well as today's "judaism" and "islam", are but seductive harlots fornicating with 'the god of this world'!

They believe in, and are authors of, death!

The Messiah testified, "Whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die!"

And then He qestioned, "Do you believe this?" YES!

And you? Do you believe?

The Only True GOD would have us "set our affections on things above".

HIS Children desire that which is eternal, and have quit serving 'time' in the prison that is this wicked world.

HIS Children have heeded The Call to repent and:

"Come out of her, MY people!"

They have "Come out" of this wicked, evil world and it's systems of religion for they realize that "the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one". (I John 5:19)

Sadly, a wicked, worldly "christianity" and "catholicism" are reasons why "The Way of Truth is evil spoken of"! (2 Peter 2:2)

Yet there is Hope!

For Miracles do happen!

Hope is there would be those who "set their affections on things above", Heavenly things, for all who do so will quit serving 'time' in the prison that is this world!

Worldly systems but feed "the lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh and the pride of life" and such systems are of mankind's "imag"ination, and mankind's "imag"ination is under the dominion of "the father of lies", he who is "the god of this world", he who is "d"evil spirit of darkness that genders but death, destruction, perversion, fear, confusion, complexity,,,,,, "every evil work"!

Sadly, mankind's "imag"ination is destroying and perverting Creation(land, air, water, vegetation, creatures, Light, Life, Truth, Love, Peace, Mercy, Faith, Grace, Hope, etc.).

Heed GOD's Call and "Come out of her, MY people"!

Come out of the perverse, destructive, evil world and it's sytems of religion!

Once again, "Pure religion and undefiled before GOD The Father is this, to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction and to keep oneself uncontaminated by the world." (James 1:27)

Simply, all other religion is impure and defiled! So heed The Call and "Come Out"!

Experience Peace, in spite of the dis-ease(no-peace) that is of this wicked world and it's systems of religion, for "the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one" indeed and Truth.......

Truth is never ending.......

Beth B said...

Wow. There is too much here for me to address in this format! Please give me your e-mail and I will be happy to continue the discussion with you there.


ElderChild said...

If you click on "elderchild" that will take you to my blog profile and there you can click on "email" and that will allow you to communicate with me via e-mail.

Peace, in spite of the dis-ease(no-peace) that is of this world, for "the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one"(1John5:19)" indeed and Truth.....

Truth is never ending.......


mad baggins said...

"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."

(from _The Lord of the Rings_, JRR Tolkien, Book I, Chapter 2, "The Shadow of the Past")